(Throwing Hands Up In Frustration)
Right, I give up. I've done everything I can do, everything I can think of, and this stupid graphics card is still not working. Either the card has a problem, or it just won't work with my computer. Either is possible, I have no idea which is more likely.
Graphics Card Installed, Problems Continue!
Right, this is getting really annoying. After dinner, I sat down in front of the open side of my computer and gently installed the eVGA GT630 I purchased last week. At first, it looked like everything was going smoothly... the drivers installed without freezing, which just confirms that indeed, the PSU was the problem. Great! Reboot when prompted, and voila! Windows boots up...
...Blue Screen of Death. "Machine_Check_Exception." Again.
Now I began to invent curse words. If you ever hear me say "serathilk", you know I'm really pissed. I rebooted in safe mode, removed drivers, and tried again. After a couple of tries (with BSoDs) , install happened, rebooted, and the screen came back up in 1440 x 900 resolution! Yay!
Then it BSoD'ed again. The only thing I can figure is that, somewhere, my motherboard hates the GT630. Or everything hates ME, one of the two.
I've sent a support request to eVGA, maybe I'll hear from them this weekend.
I really wanted to play Kerbal Space Program this weekend, too.
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Have you tried running MemTest86 and prime95 for a while, just to make sure your RAM, CPU and motherboard are still working correctly? Maybe also run a complete SMART test of your harddisk (it could be corrupting your data...)
All of these aren't directly related to the new graphic card but strange things happen from time to time.
Posted by: christoph at July 27, 2013 06:36 AM (lj3PR)
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Hard to do when you BSoD all the time. And why would any of that only show up with the new graphics card installed?
Posted by: Wonderduck at July 27, 2013 08:00 AM (HY5zN)
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I don't know why it would only occur with the new graphics card. Nonetheless if I was in your situation this would be part of my procedure - just so that I could be fairly certain it's not one of those other components that's faulty.
With regards to BSoDs: MemTest86 is directly bootable (from CD/DVD, floppy disc or flash drive); the hard disk check can be done from any live linux distribution that has smartctl installed (e.g. clonezilla, if I remember correctly). prime95 will probably also run in Windows' safe mode (if that keeps BSoDs from appearing).
At least it would interesting if your system also randomly crashes or reboots when running an OS other than Windows.
Posted by: christoph at July 27, 2013 09:56 AM (lj3PR)
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Not a chance in the world am I going to install Linux for this... I'll buy a new computer first.
I've put the old GT240 back in, and once again, no problems exist. It's like nothing was wrong.
Posted by: Wonderduck at July 27, 2013 10:19 AM (NvF/3)
Regarding Memtest, there are lots of Linux distros that have LiveCDs. Put it in, boot from it, no installation.
But it sure sounds like a bum video card.
Posted by: RickC at July 27, 2013 10:26 PM (WQ6Vb)
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EVGA gave up on it a long time before I did... I've got a RMA and shipping label to use to send it in for replacement.
Posted by: Wonderduck at July 27, 2013 11:23 PM (NvF/3)
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Probably for the best. Out of curiosity I did a quick web search for machine check exceptions and video cards, and it seems to generally be either overheat situations or bad vram. Overheating at boot seems really unlikely unless you changed your desktop wallpaper to be Unigine Heaven or something.
Posted by: RickC at July 28, 2013 10:50 AM (WQ6Vb)
Posted by: Wonderduck at July 28, 2013 08:22 PM (NvF/3)
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Have you heard from EVGA yet?
I got tired of the integrated graphics on my PC this weekend, so I went out and got a 650ti boost. I went from ~25fps in WoW on a setting somewhere between the lowest two presets to 70-100fps on Ultra. Pricey, but awesome. Only drawback is the card is a little loud when you're gaming. I am considering an aftermarket cooling solution for that.
Posted by: RickC at August 05, 2013 02:57 PM (A9FNw)
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Rick, it just made it to EVGA's California HQ this morning... one week via UPS.
Posted by: Wonderduck at August 05, 2013 06:16 PM (6j8A+)
PSU Installed!
It only took nigh on three hours to do, but my computer now has a 600w Corsair CX600 installed. Now, I'm sure many of you out there are saying to yourself "three hours? How in the world did it take that long???"
Well, there were a few problems along the way. Problem number one, and the most time-consuming, discovering that the CX600 doesn't actually have a four-pin 12v ATX connector. This, I found out after I had spent an hour and a bit getting the old PSU out, getting the new one in, and running cable. The four-pin 12v ATX is used on old motherboards, like mine, and is never seen anymore. After nearly removing the installed CX600 in frustration, I remembered that I have another computer (which I'm typing this post on) and could google around about this conundrum. This is where I discovered that Corsair has a more modern eight-pin connector that splits into two four-pin 12v ATXs. While I wish that had been obvious from looking at the various cables, it's done and over with.
Problem number two, and the most aggravating, was finding out that my old PSU was actually better equipped for hard-drive and DVD drive power cables. That one, an old ThermalTake (which only puts 18amps to the 12v rail, by the way... well below the 20 required for my new graphics card, which confirms the suspicions of all of you, and thanks!), has four individual cords with a four-pin molex connector on them. The CX600 has ONE cord with four molexi "spliced in." The run from the top of my case (DVD) to the bottom (hard drive) is just barely within reach of the CX600's cord... and that, I think, only because my DVD drive is installed in the bottom of the optical drive bay. If it was in the top slot, I don't think it'd reach. Getting that cable run was quite annoying... I'm still not even sure I can put the side panel back on.
Problem number three was that the younger me who installed the ThermalTake PSU all these many years ago was something of a diplodocus when he put it in. Slip-tabs that would normally hold the drive in place were badly bent, a plastic friction clip wasn't there at all, so on and so forth. As it is, I managed to re-bend the bottom tab to do a little bit of gripping, but the three case screws that are supposed to just lock the PSU in place are, instead, doing most of the work of keeping it from falling.
So there it is... three hours of effort, dust and swearing... a LOT of swearing... but little Chiyo-chan now has a new heart PSU. Next step is the graphics card, but that won't come until AFTER dinner. I'm starving.
Here are a few things I am NOT going to do that involve this film:
1) Watch this clip again
2) Watch this clip in HQ full-screen (again)
3) Watch it when it comes out
4) Watch it when it comes out in IMAX
5) Watch it when it comes out on Blu-Ray
Really, it might be the greatest movie of all time, but that makes no difference to me. The thought of being adrift in space with no hope of rescue and a sudden reentry imminent is enough to turn my bowels to water and my knees to pudding. SEEING one of my worst fears on the screen like that? Nope, nope and a thousand times nope.
I'd rather chew my leg out of a bear trap than do that.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at July 26, 2013 12:42 AM (PiXy!)
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Working on it. I hope to do the PSU switch today.
Posted by: Wonderduck at July 26, 2013 07:23 AM (F+CeQ)
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You are SO right, 'Duck. Did two tours in 'Nam and raised two teenagers (one of each sex) but the situation described in the trailer give me the galloping never-get-overs. Worse than going into a hot LZ.
Wonder how many in the audience at an IMAX showing will lose it? Might have to hose out the theater between showings...
Posted by: The Old Man at July 26, 2013 07:31 AM (EiwKY)
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What are those suits made of, impenetratium? Stations and ships and other sturdy things being smashed, shattered, and blown into clouds of razor-sharp shrapnel all around them, and the suited astronauts just go bouncing around like perfectly frictionless spheric constructs on a 3D microgravity billiards table.
Posted by: Mitch H. at July 26, 2013 12:13 PM (jwKxK)
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Ever watch Dark Star? Those guys just need to grab a surfboard-shaped chunk of space station....
Posted by: Ed Hering at July 26, 2013 01:25 PM (aEOAA)
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Just gotta convince yourself that you'd survive it. (Love those dreams where you get shot a few times and then think to yourself "hm, the bullets didn't penetrate, I ought to look into why I'm invulnerable later on"...) Then it goes from "nightmare fuel" to "extreeeeeeeeeeeeme parachuting".
Posted by: Avatar_exADV at July 26, 2013 03:36 PM (pWQz4)
I've Got So Much Nuthin', It Hurts!
...and that's a lot of nuthin'. I've not had time nor energy enough to even think about installing the new PSU, which I remember as being a nasty job in this particular BTX case. Well, ces't la vie. More something will come soon, I hope. Here, have something fun, on me:
I... uh... even I don't know what to say to that, and I'm the one that put it here.
Graphics Card Weirdness
Okay, so here's the gig. I had time today to finally install the new graphics card... and it wouldn't. Let me explain.
The first time I tried, I got a black screen. Okay, didn't get the card seated correctly... not hard to do when the PCI-E slot's locking lever is broken. Pulled it out, stuck it back in, voila!
Windows froze during boot. Never even made it to the desktop. Hold down the power button and try again. Yay, desktop! I wait for the computer to finish trying to find the mouse and keep hitting cancel on the driver search function, then plop the install disc into it and voila!
Windows froze during install. It was at this point that I began to think that this wasn't going to go as smoothly as the other two times I've installed graphic cards. Power button, reboot, bluescreen before POST. As I was too flustered at what was going on, I didn't write it down (of course) but the relevant part that I remember was this: Machine Check Exception.
Power button, desktop, cancel cancel cancel cancel install disc it makes it a little bit farther before lockup. At this point, I give up, pull the brand new GeForce GT630 out, put the SPARKLE GT240 back in... it functions as long as I don't have it do anything more strenuous than Minesweeper... and everything works right as rain. Sighing, I send eVGA an eMail, asking for advice.
Response: install the drivers under safe mode, and how much power does your PSU put out at the 12v rail? B-b-b-b-but if I install the drivers under safe mode, that'll kill off the SPARKLE, and for me to read the label on the PSU, I have to remove the PSU... and I remember having the devil's own time physically installing it in the first place. Oh, and it's seven years old, it may not be putting out that much power anymore, right?
Suggestions, anybody? This sound similar to anyone? I really don't want to sink more money into this if I don't absolutely have to, but I'm willing to invest in a new PSU if need be... I'll just put it into the new computer that'll be coming down the pike soon enough.
UPDATE: And all this after I splurged on Steam's summer sale, too. Saints Row 3, the DLC for Skyrim, and Kerbal Space Program... and I can't play any of 'em!
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If the power supply may be inadequate or failing, how about testing it with a multimeter or power supply tester? They're pretty cheap if you don't already have one, and it would at least let you determine if you're going to need a new one sooner rather than later.
Kerbal Space Program is awesome. One of the very few "Early Access" titles that I think is actually worth playing as-is. I already have 277 hours in it, and am nowhere near finished with everything I want to do. Of course, I'm an old hand at Orbiter, so I guess I'm predisposed to like it. The world needs more realistic space games. I'm taking a break until the next patch, since it's going to break save game persistence. I can quit any time I want, really, I swear!
The Skyrim DLC is well worth while, too.
Okay, I know, I'm not helping... Shutting up now.
Posted by: flatdarkmars at July 21, 2013 08:22 PM (0h1CL)
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Um, are you connecting the power cable to the graphics card? Higher end cards often have a socket for connecting the same power lines as your HDD.
Posted by: Mauser at July 22, 2013 12:28 AM (cZPoz)
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Some cards require that you install the drivers first, using the supplied install disk, then install the card.
The other thing: 'way back in the stone age (1997-ish) I was a big fan of Jaton video cards, because they didn't cost very much and you got a lot of performance for your money. They used the Trident chipset and worked beautifully in my Pentium machine.
Unfortunately, when I bought a brand-spanking-new Celeron motherboard (I said this was 1997) absolutely detested Jaton video cards, and after trying three different models I gave up and put in another brand of card. This is not the kind of thing which should still be happening today, but [excrement] happens.
Posted by: Ed Hering at July 22, 2013 04:52 AM (aEOAA)
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@Mauser: no extra cable needed, it draws straight from the PCI-E slot.
@Ed: instructions say to install card, then install drivers.
Posted by: Wonderduck at July 22, 2013 06:46 AM (F+CeQ)
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It's not uncommon for a newer mid- to low-end card to actually use less power than older cards, but the problems you're describing are consistent with a lack of power. If your motherboard is as old as or older than your power supply, it could be that the motherboard isn't moving enough power to the slot, or that the slot itself is damaged.
However, the problems *could* be caused by a driver conflict, but I wouldn't think it likely considering your moving from one nVidia card to another. On that subject, installing the drivers in safe mode probably won't affect your ability to re-install the old card and boot with it. Probably.
Of course, there's all of the "did you knock something else loose while installing the card" issues, but it doesn't sound like it if the old card will boot. And I have to admit that upon hearing that your power supply was seven years old I immediately thought that you probably ought to replace it as a matter of principle. The motherboard, too. That's what I would be doing, but it's an easy thing to suggest to someone else; I'm not doing the work and losing my computer for the duration; and having to start over from scratch when the effectively-new computer is built.
The GT240 was a low-power/low-end solution. The GT630 draws a lot more power. Flag # 2.
As Ben indicates above, the intermittent failures and crashes you experienced are typical of power-supply problems. Flag # 3.
"Easiest" test is a newer/larger PS. If you can get a loaner, just plug it in while it's "close enough" to the case and see how that does. Easiest IMAO, at least.
Just wanted to say, good luck, we're all counting on you.
Posted by: Doug Oosting at July 22, 2013 12:20 PM (sdWdc)
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As it turns out, one of my Duck U Bookstore temps is one of those guys who builds desktops for fun. A long talk with him today, crossed with all your comments, led me to buy a new PSU... in fact, this one. 600watts as well as 46amps along the 12v rail... that'll do juuuuuust fine.
Posted by: Wonderduck at July 22, 2013 05:26 PM (F+CeQ)
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It does sound like a power issue, though that's a tricky thing to debug remotely.
I've used Corsair power supplies in a bunch of machines - desktops and small servers - and I've never had so much as a hiccup. That one looks like just what you need.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at July 24, 2013 02:14 AM (PiXy!)
Saturday Night Tunage XVII
Oh no! Look out! It's another installment of Saturday Night Tunage with your host, DJ Wonderduck!
It amazes me that I've managed to go seven months since the last one of these, or at least that's what the search feature says, but it does appear to be true! I do believe that I've deprived you, my faithful readers/listeners, for much too long. What you believe, on the other hand, is up to you! I make no promises that these songs haven't been featured before, but I don't much care... I like 'em all the same! With all that out of the way, let's get on with the tunage!
Posted by: Wonderduck at July 22, 2013 11:15 PM (F+CeQ)
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You ran lights for Cheap Trick at the bandshell? How have I not heard this before? Was it a good set?
Posted by: Vaucanson's Duck at July 23, 2013 03:46 PM (CKoWa)
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More correctly, I ran lights for a small acoustic performance by Robin Zander and someone on guitar. I still remember quite clearly the gentle cover of Spirit's "Nature's Way" that just blew me away. Then, as the night wore on, Bun E. showed up, then a while later so did Rick Nielsen. There's a really great acoustic version of "Surrender" out there somewhere... actually, it sounded a lot like this one.
I don't think it was supposed to be a Cheap Trick show... I got the impression that the others just showed up and sat in.
It wasn't quite as cool as having Stevie Ray Vaughn play a guitar solo for an audience of one (me), but it was pretty close.
Posted by: Wonderduck at July 23, 2013 07:05 PM (F+CeQ)
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The bandshell's right in Rick's neighborhood. He was probably out for an evening stroll...
Posted by: Vaucanson's Duck at July 23, 2013 09:34 PM (OFJiW)
Wanderduck's Missing Pictures
A few of you may remember the pictures from my trip to Orlando last month. I was just going through the (metaphorical) pile of snapshots unused from the journey, and I realized that I didn't use my two favorites... because they didn't fit the narrative as well as some others. In lieu of actual content, I aim to rectify that oversight right here, right now.
The first:
Just a duck somewhere above the middle of the country... far, far above the middle of the country. Probably Indiana or Kentucky, as it was fairly early in the flight. Love the clouds, and the somewhat wistful view of Wanderduck looking out the window. Just a fun little picture.
The second:
Wanderduck with the biggest, cheesiest sh*t-eating-est grin you've ever seen on a rubber duckie. He's such a ham. Which, to be sure, is what makes him an ideal companion for journeys.
For either picture, click to get a big version. I'm sure Wanderduck'd love to be your desktop wallpaper for a while!
The Gleam Is Off... um... EVERYTHING
Look, I know I occasionally whine and complain about stuff here at The Pond. Stuff happens, and sometimes you just have to react. But today... today, I have a legitimate cause to complain, and there's no way anybody would disagree with me.
My assistant manager gave her two weeks' notice today.
Classes start in four weeks.
No way I'm getting a replacement in time. I'm going to be working open-to-close all the way through Rush, which'll take us into September. I'm actually scheduled for 57 hours the week before classes start.
I'm doomed.
And if that wasn't enough, my DVR appears to have coughed up a hard-drive and died. Thankfully, I just rent it... I think. But I lost all the movies and stuff I'd recorded. Like the entirety of Firefly in HD. Don't let nobody tell you different, "Our Mrs Reynolds" is worth watching in HD. Oh yes, yes it surely is.
I'm already there, I think.
Get yourself a series 3* TiVo and hack it. Then you can download anything you can record (not to mention upgrading to 2TB drives so you can store every Good Eats episode with tons of space left over).
No suggestion about your assistant manager though
* TiVo Series 3 or TiVo HD.
Posted by: Kayle at July 16, 2013 09:32 PM (OLxpT)
Posted by: Wonderduck at July 16, 2013 09:55 PM (NOm0f)
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I bought a new DVD recorder to clear off my DVR when I was considering dropping my DirecTV. Unfortunately, the DVR advanced my decision by a couple of months by dying on its own. And the drives are tied to the players, so you can't swap them out, and they're encrypted, so you can't get your shows off.
(Also, the DVD recorder, even though it was made by a different manufacturer than my previous one, apparently used a variant of the same software, which is horrible as a player. For example, A-B repeat must be selected from a menu, each time, which takes three or four button presses, AND can not be set unless the player is PLAYING. No pausing and advancing to just the right frame.)
Posted by: Mauser at July 17, 2013 04:37 AM (cZPoz)
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Aw, MAN. Seriously, who thought it would be a good idea to have a year ending in the number 13 anyway?
Posted by: GreyDuck at July 17, 2013 07:33 AM (CUkqs)
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I watched it once, but my main memory of that character is her gainaxing in an evening gown.
Posted by: Wonderduck at July 17, 2013 04:23 PM (rY5SD)
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Alas, I have retail and bookstore experience, but no assistant manager experience. But maybe you could ask other bookstores in the area if they know anybody?
Posted by: Suburbanbanshee at July 17, 2013 07:07 PM (cvXSV)
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Oh, wait. You probably have a big bureaucratic hiring process.
Maybe you can get a temp assistant manager? Maybe alums of your bookstore can come and do a tryout?
Maybe you've already thought of all these things....
Posted by: Suburbanbanshee at July 17, 2013 07:09 PM (cvXSV)
The Sparkle Is Off The Rose
Some of you may remember back nearly two years ago when I went through that joyous time I liked to call "graphics card hell". That was the time when my old Nvidia 7600GT went all pear-shaped and I had to replace it. The first attempt was with a 9800GT... which failed because it was a two-slot card and my case would only support a single. The second attempt was a PNY GT240... which failed because it was out of stock with no return-to-stock date, which is a nice way of saying "never." The third and final attempt was the acquisition of a GT240 from a company calling itself Sparkle. By this time it was very much a case of burning down, falling over, then sinking into a swamp, but it did work. And it worked very well indeed! I was quite pleased by my purchase, and to be sure it was a lovely card and all was bacon and chocolate and chocolate-covered bacon.
I had no idea that was a thing... though I shouldn't be surprised, should I?
However, three months ago I had my first inkling of a problem: a high-pitched squealing noise issuing from the innards of my computer. When it occurred, the first couple of times, a sharp rap on the case with my knuckles ("Bap!") usually made it stop. Then it stopped for good on its own. Since everything seemed to still work, I let it go with a shrug and a muttered oath: "Computers." Which was fine, until I decided to play me some Skyrim. Booted up the game, began to walk around, saw a bear come at me, drew my sword... and the screen went blank with a "no signal" message on it. Meanwhile, the sounds of a bear eating my character began to emanate from the speakers. Since I couldn't actually see anything, the only way I could reboot was to do the old "hold down the power switch" gig. Then I tried it again, thinking that I must have accidentally done something to glitch the game. Nope. Same thing occurred, but faster this time. Over the next few days, I experimented with other games. Trine went for about 5 minutes before it did the same thing. Hell, Motocross Madness 2 blacked out after about 15 minutes. Some research pretty much confirmed my problem: overheating. The squealing sound? Death of the cooling fan on my Sparkle. So I hied myself off to Amazon and got myself a new graphics card.
The GT630 is hardly a powerhouse... it may not even be as good as the Sparkle, to be honest. But I don't much care at the moment as this whole experience has just pointed out to me that Chiyo-chan, my smart and lovely computer, is seven years old and essentially un-upgradeable anymore. So the GT630 is only a stopgap card (and at $65, not an expensive one, either). In about a month, the new school year begins at Duck U. I think that as a "huzzah, you've survived!" gift to myself, I'll be getting a new computer... and that's if I don't get one before that. I already have a name for it picked out... and that's the important bit, y'know. I will, of course, keep you updated as the process goes on. God help us all.
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Thank goodness for decent budget card options. Used to be, buying the budget card was something you did so you could play Solitaire because Haruhi-sama help you if you tried to play a serious game. Now it's just a matter of dialing back on all the bling-mapping and such.
Posted by: GreyDuck at July 16, 2013 07:19 AM (CUkqs)
All I Want... Is For It To Be Cool. Is That Too Much To Ask?
I don't get excited about movies much anymore. It's been a long time since I eagerly awaited some big Hollywood blockbuster... I outgrew that sort of thing, I think. But then, almost a year ago, I caught wind of something that sounded cool, if they did it right. Then a couple of months ago, the trailers started to hit the web. And tomorrow, July 12, 2013, the first movie I've been really excited about in years is hitting the movie screens. Ladles and girlymen, allow me to introduce to you...
WANT. OH SO WANT. Mecha! Kaiju! Heck, GLaDOS! It may not be Sharknado, but it'll do.
(note: longtime readers will point out that I did get excited about Tintin. While true, that was an excitement mixed with deep-seated fear that it would suck. It was that fear that kept me from seeing it in the theatre. Nothing of the sort is going to happen to me with Pacific Rim. I grew up with Tintin. I learned to read with Tintin. It would have seriously hurt if that movie was bad. This one? If it's bad, I'm out $10 and two hours or whatever.)
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Nothing I've read on the Intarwubz so far has given me cause to fear about Pacific Rim. At the very least I'll be entertained for a couple of hours.
Posted by: GreyDuck at July 12, 2013 09:38 AM (3m7pZ)
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I won't be able to see it this weekend, and truth be told, it doesn't look good for next weekend either... but the one after that? I'm taking four days off... in a row... so just maybe then.
Posted by: Wonderduck at July 12, 2013 02:02 PM (Mgfuf)
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'twas a solidly fun ride, even at stupid-full-movie-price-for-3.
Posted by: Douglas Oosting at July 13, 2013 12:01 AM (vtGjZ)
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I may give it a try after all. A friend of my wife's described it as "Robotech + Godzilla". Considering those are two of my top ten favorite things...