December 14, 2011
Dental Obnoxiousness Pt II
As you may remember, last Friday I had a tooth pulled. It went rather smoothly, to be honest. He wasn't even finished saying "Okay, here we go" before the tooth was out of my jaw. It was like all it needed was a little tug and voila! All done! Didn't even bleed all that much, or for very long. Looking back at it, I should have realized that just meant things would go wrong eventually.
The past few days, the location of the former tooth has been kinda tender, and it ached a bit after eating. "Well, yeah," I hear you saying, "you just had a tooth ripped out of your jaw, it's no wonder it was tender and sore." And I completely agree with you. At worst, I'd take a tylenol and the slight burning ache would go away. Something nagged at me, though; when I had a tooth pulled in the past, I don't remember my mouth hurting
at all five days afterwards. So I called the oral surgeon that did the yanking, told his nurse what was going on, and she said c'mon in! Their office is just a few minutes away from the Duck U Bookstore, so that wasn't a problem. I told my boss that I'd be gone for a half-hour or so, and all would be right with the world. What could possibly go wrong?
I sat in the dentist chair, and the first thing he did after I told him that the area was tender... was to poke it. "Did that hurt?" Yes, all things considered. I hope you weren't surprised by that answer, Doc, since I just told you that it was tender. "Well, let me rinse the site out with sailine solution."
"...and then I'll stab it with a red hot poker covered with battery acid and shards of razor blades!"
After they scraped me off the ceiling, Doc gave me the good news: DRY SOCKET! For those who don't know, dry socket is an event where the blood clot that forms after an extraction... fails or never forms at all. In essence, you've got a hole in your mouth that goes right down to the jawbone. Usually this is a ridiculously painful thing, though in my case it wasn't bad at all. Or maybe it was; I've always had a high tolerance for pain. Heck, I passed 13 kidneystones in one year, including two while I was at work, and not only did I not go home, but I sold five Preferred Reeders cards while I was doing the passing. I'm no stranger to pain is what I'm saying, but I know I've been a bit grumpy this week. Easily annoyed, too: did you color in the little graph paper squares on your rental book sticker? Grrrrrrr. Don't know what your class number is? GRRRRRRRR! Talking on your cellphone while I'm trying to tell you how much your textbook is worth? You'd best believe you're going to die very very soon, probably when I shove that textbook into someplace sensitive... like your spleen. So maybe the dry socket pain has been working its magic on me. Fortunately, there's a solution for dry socket pain; a mixture of analgesics, zinc oxide and oil of cloves. Takes the ouchies right away... except it has to go
in the socket, right up against the exposed bone. The nurse handed me a few kleenex (wha?), and as I reclined in the chair, I wondered just exactly what the kleenex were for. Then the doc tried to apply the oil-of-clove-saturated packing material to the socket.
"...with a whaling harpoon! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!"
I do not scream. I have seen my foot pointing backwards after falling off a loading dock. I have caught a windmilling 16'-0" length of 2x4 with my face, breaking my nose. I've passed thirteen kidneystones. I cracked open a kidney auditioning for a play. I have been on fire... twice. At no time during these incidents did I ever scream in agony. Most of the time, I didn't even yelp in pain. Today, as the doc tried and failed to set the packing stuff into that hole in my mouth, I groaned very loudly... and I discovered what the kleenex was for as I crushed it in my hand. He tried a second time... and the groan became much higher-pitched. A third time. Fourth. Fifth. "That socket just doesn't want to let it stay there," said the doc. A sixth try, and not only did I scream like a little girl, I tried very hard to squirm out of the chair, down the hallway and out into the traffic on Duckford's busiest street. On the seventh attempt to apply the pain-killing solution, he finally succeeded... by liberal application of what felt like 20d box nails.
On the plus side, there's no pain now. Hopefully, it'll stay that way... I don't think I can take another application of pain-killers.
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I really shouldn't want to laugh now, but you've done a remarkable job of presenting your tale of pain and suffering in amusing terms. Well done. And I hope the socket treatment works! I've had some high-level tooth pain in my time, and it's never any fun, and does in fact bleed over into every aspect of your life.
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So far so good, David. The packing material is still in and I'm still pain-free, some 16 hours later. Crossed wingtips, it'll stay that way.
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Posted by: jon spencer at December 15, 2011 08:43 AM (hFoyt)
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I have had "dry socket" and can attest to the "mild discomfort" (doctor term) that it provides.
I needed some two or three applications of the stuff to fix the problem. Fortunately both (or all) of them went in and stayed in on the first try.
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The First Day Of Duckmas 2011
Push the button, Frank, it's time for the Twelve Days of Duckmas again!
Ah, the duckie in a fir tree, the usual beginning to the Twelve Days of Duckmas. This will be the fifth year of holiday duckies, and this one's going to be different from the previous four. See, in the past there's been no shortage of snow around Pond Central and Duck U when the Twelve Days came around, but not this year. According to the weather nabobs, there's a chance of flurries in a week or so... and that's it; snow-free until sometime after the 25th. I love a challenge.
Tune in every day between now and Christmas Day for a new Duckmas photo!
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Yay! 12 Days of Duckmas! I love this tradition of yours!
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December 11, 2011
2001
This is post number 2001 here at Wonderduck's Pond.
What, you expected me to ignore the obvious?
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Monolith Mall: "My god! It's full of Stores!"
Posted by: Mauser at December 11, 2011 07:12 PM (cZPoz)
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Nah, it you were really following
2001, you'd be having computer problems that forced you to take it offline to prevent further damage.
Wait a sec...
Posted by: Siergen at December 11, 2011 08:18 PM (qUEkR)
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All I'm saying is, if the world ends at post 2012, I'm going to be upset.
Posted by: Avatar_exADV at December 12, 2011 08:36 PM (pWQz4)
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@Mauser: Oh, bravo! If you came up with that yourself, give yourself a pat on the back.
@Avatar: maybe not the world, but what would you do if the blog ended on post #2012?
@Siergen: my computer has never sung "Daisy". At least, not where I could hear it.
Posted by: Wonderduck at December 12, 2011 11:14 PM (f/6aJ)
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Alas, I can't claim credit for it. It's from an old Nancy Leibovitz button catalog.
Although I did once make Zombie (yes, THAT Zombie) applaud with:
"My doctor put me on Theramin, but it made me all WooOOOooo."
That one was mine.
Posted by: Mauser at December 13, 2011 05:56 AM (cZPoz)
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@Wonderduck: It's only a matter of
time...
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December 10, 2011
2000
This is the 2000th post here at Wonderduck's Pond. If you had told me back on
July 8th, 2005, that I'd eventually put up another 1999 posts, or that I'd still be blogging six-and-a-half years later, I think I would have laughed at you. I would have laughed even harder if you told me that people would actually be interested in reading my mental meanderings. But yet, here we are in December of 2011... I'm typing the two-thousandth post, you're reading the two-thousandth post (though I'm not sure you're
interested), and I can't imagine what it would be like to
not be blogging anymore. How incredible.
Thank you, folks. I appreciate it!
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Thanks for your work, hobby, whatever you want to call it.
Posted by: jon spencer at December 10, 2011 08:23 PM (hFoyt)
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Cool, but I don't know how far back I'll read... :-)
6000 or so comments.
Much better ratio than I've got here....
Posted by: Mauser at December 10, 2011 10:49 PM (cZPoz)
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Of all the people whose blogs I read, yours regularly has the most in-depth coverage, of just about everything you post about. You watch an anime series, and we get a series of posts with in-depth commentary on every episode. You watch an F1 race, and we get great coverage (hell, I went from "is that the thing like Indycar?" to watching every race this year, just from reading your posts on it!) You do a post on Midway and it's not just commentary, but scholarship, talking about stuff even my fairly-detailed histories of the war only hint at.
You've made my life better and more interesting, and I appreciate it. Here's hoping we can all hang out in Austin at the track...
Posted by: Avatar_exADV at December 10, 2011 11:28 PM (GJQTS)
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Huzzah!
Posted by: GreyDuck at December 11, 2011 10:19 AM (eHm8o)
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Gratz on unlocking the [2000 posts!] achievement.
Now I must get back to WoW....
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December 08, 2011
Dental Obnoxiousness
I curse my teeth.
LoliRin has perfect teeth. I do not.
Last week, I was chewing on a duck chow-on-rye sandwich when I felt something odd towards the back of my jaw. Inspecting the oddness with the tip of my tongue, I discovered chunks of filling mixed in with the masticated rye bread. The tooth it came from didn't hurt and it felt like there was still a good bit of filling left. Unconcerned, I figure that the chunks of filling (which was quite old; 25 years?) just fell off the face of the tooth, and it'd be a simple spackle job to repair. Y'know, mix up some amalgam, trowel it onto the remainder of the filling, bish bash bosh, all done. So I hied myself to the dentist the next day so he could give me the good news.
He didn't. While indeed big chunks of the filling did come loose, and there
was still filling material covering and protecting the
original cavity, the rest of the tooth decayed around it. So much in fact that the outside enamel face of the tooth fell off. The smooth stuff that I thought was filling material is actually the dentine of the tooth. As my dentist described it to me, the enamel is like a suit of plate armor. The dentine is the leather undershirt. The next step is the soft squishy human underneath (or the tooth's pulp, in this case). Much to my surprise, the dentist immediately suggested having it pulled instead of trying to save it. He ALWAYS recommends trying to save the tooth first. In this case though, it's unpaired, meaning there'd be no reduction in my chewing ability (the molar above it was the first that I had removed, nearly 30 years ago); there's other teeth in my mouth that the money a root canal would cost would be better spent on.
The tooth comes out Friday afternoon. I'll let y'all know how it went as soon as I can... probably in the evening.
UPDATE: It's out. Came out nice and easy. It's about four hours later, and the novocaine has pretty much all worn off. It's still bleeding a touch, but that's to be expected. The best part of the whole thing was definitely the nitrous oxide... baby!
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I'm sorry to hear about your misfortune. I've been financing my own dentist's vacation home for several years now.
Of course, your dental woes are just part of your slow transformation into the "Duck of Doom" prophecized by the Mayans as the destroyer of the world. After all, everyone knows that ducks don't have teeth...
Posted by: Siergen at December 09, 2011 08:02 PM (qUEkR)
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You going to have it replaced?
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at December 09, 2011 11:16 PM (+rSRq)
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No point, really. It wasn't paired with anything, so I'm out no chewing ability, and it isn't a cosmetic problem. Maybe eventually a bridge or something will come along, but for now, nah.
Posted by: Wonderduck at December 09, 2011 11:48 PM (Nf6le)
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I only had one tooth removed in my life, and now it's coming back to me badly, as the next tooth is getting in a danger of fracture. It has moved and is taking the load at an angle.
Posted by: Author at December 10, 2011 12:38 AM (G2mwb)
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Yikes!
Teeth suck.
( OK technically they masticate...but....oh never mind)
I hope you feel better soon.
Posted by: brickmuppet at December 10, 2011 03:42 AM (EJaOX)
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0730 Monday I'm going in for a cleaning & to replace two fillings. My life is full of joy because of this. You're not the only one w/old fillings, the two I'm getting fixed I had done in '81 or '82 while still in the USAF. Still have every thing except the wisdom's, so that's not so bad.
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December 07, 2011
70 Years
Today is the 70th anniversary of the attack on Pearl Harbor. It will also be the final one for the Pearl Harbor Survivor's Association, which will disband on December 31st, 2011, ending its 53-year existence. There may only be around 2000 or so men left of those who were at Pearl that Sunday morning. Today, we remember those who fought, those who died and those vanishing few who remain.
And we offer our thanks.
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December 06, 2011
Name This Mystery Ship IX
Just because I stumbled upon this story last week,
name this mystery ship!
No cheating, folks... that takes all the fun out of it.
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Clearly that is DD-. I'm not sure what the designation of the missing front half is though....Ouch!
Posted by: David at December 06, 2011 04:52 PM (+yn5x)
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Is this the one that turned in front of the Australian carrier?
I think that the DD that was hit had a helicopter hanger though.
Posted by: jon spencer at December 06, 2011 05:27 PM (hFoyt)
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I'm guessing its the Murphy (Murphie?)...or at this stage in her career the Murp.
The bow of the Murphy is, IIRC somewhere off Delmarva and is a well known site because divers for years were looking unsuccessfully for the rest of the ship.
Posted by: brickmuppet at December 06, 2011 05:30 PM (EJaOX)
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Brickmuppet for teh win! The USS
Murphy (DD-603) was on convoy escort duty, approximately 75 miles out from New Jersey when she encountered the SS
Bulkoil at night. The
Bulkoil was heading back to port after experiencing an engine failure when she heard a "torpedo" to port on her sound rig. Naturally, she turned into the "torpedo" so as to decrease her profile.
Problem is, the "torpedo" she heard was the
Murphy, tracking a sonar contact of her own out ahead of the convoy. The
Bulkoil hit the destroyer just behind the bridge and cut through, shortening her by about 70 feet. The bow portion sank in just a couple of minutes, taking 36 souls with it. The stern section stayed afloat, was towed back to New York Navy Yard, and seven months later emerged with a new forward section.
She served at D-Day then was eventually assigned to the Pacific Fleet where she was, apparently, one of the first (if not THE first) American vessel to reach Nagasaki after the bomb.
Posted by: Wonderduck at December 06, 2011 07:12 PM (2YMZG)
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Yay!
I request Faith, Hope and Charity.
Posted by: brickmuppet at December 06, 2011 07:18 PM (EJaOX)
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To clarify my request: Only as it applies to one of your illustrations in
this post.
Posted by: brickmuppet at December 06, 2011 07:24 PM (EJaOX)
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David, you are thinking of HMAS Voyager that was cut in half by HMAS Melbourne. It also collided with USS Frank E Evans (obviously not at the same time).
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Actually, I wasn't thinking of any ship in particular. It was just obviously the rear "half" of a destroyer, and I felt like making some kind of comment.
I was also assuming that the damage was from a torpedo hit, not a collision, which explains why my search didn't lead me to an answer.
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December 03, 2011
Rio Rainbow Gate! ep14
After I escaped from the clutches of
Rio Rainbow Gate! episode 13, I thought I was quit of the whole thing. After all, the series was over... it was done, and though they left a small window open for a second series, nobody in their right mind would
ever authorize a sequel, right? Right. At least, that's what I keep telling myself... it helps me sleep at night. Then in Japan, they began to release the DVDs and BDs and my heart sank. There were to be seven discs, with two episodes per disc...
but there were only thirteen episodes released. That meant there was going to be an extra episode made... and I was going to have to return to my worst nightmare. There was still hope, though: no fansub groups seemed to be interested in doing the BD releases. When the release date came and went for the final disc with no sign of Ep14, I rejoiced. Maybe it wouldn't have to happen after all! But as time went on, I began to... worry. I became nervous. I jumped in my seat a little bit every time I saw the letter "R" on a torrent file at the usual sites. I stopped eating. My hair began to fall out. My eyebrows grew at a furious rate. A visit to the doctor returned the expected diagnosis: I was suffering from excessive stress. Since everything else in my life was going more or less as normal, it was obvious what was causing my problems... the tension involved with the non-release of the bonus episode was at fault. Days and weeks stretched to months. Time seemed to slow down, every minute feeling like an hour. A gray pall fell over the world, though to be fair that was because I neglected to clean my glasses. I began to haunt the three fansub groups that had broken down and released some BD subs, alternately anticipating the notification that they'd completed the extra episode and hoping that they hadn't. Sleep became difficult to achieve. What remained of my hair turned white. I realized that the lack of RRG! was killing me even more effectively than its presence would. When the episode finally came out, the release of the tension caused me to pass out. I awoke hours later with the notification that the download had completed shining on my computer monitor. With trembling fingers, I double-clicked the file and settled back into my computer chair, and much to my surprise, I
smiled... and at that moment, I realized something important. This is my destiny, my fate. I
must do this, just as a lemming must execute a forward triple-somersault with a twist from the pike position off a cliff in Norway.
The city of Townsville! Casino Island, how I've missed you with your towering skyscrapers that we never really saw in the original thirteen episodes. It's good to be back... it's like coming home and finding a fresh cup of hot chocolate waiting for you in the kitchen. Until you realize that you live alone and you have no idea how the hot chocolate was made, until you see the burglar come out of the connecting hallway with a bag full of your stuff over his arm. Yeah, it's exactly like that.
A brisk morning ocean breeze blows over the Island, wafting a discarded eggroll wrapper towards the Casino that gave the island its name... and didn't the casino rise directly over the water before? Ah,
Rio Rainbow Gate! Production Staff , it's been much too long. I've missed your lack of attention to detail, much like I miss a painfully decayed tooth that's been pulled out of my head by wrapping a string around it and attaching the other end to the back of a Top Fuel dragster. Yeah, it's exactly like that.
Actually, the discarded eggroll wrapper was last seen in
Ep11. For those who don't remember, and how I wish I could be counted amongst your number, that's the episode that saw The Usual Suspects attempt to break Evil Cartia's grip on the "stolen" Casino Island by gambling and winning away all her fortune. Realizing that this was only a minor challenge, she called for "Ten," a young girl who had the power to control anything, as long as it was made in China. In that episode, she turned Mint's bear, Chocco, into a real girl named An-An. I don't believe I just typed that from memory.
Meanwhile in the slums of Casino Island, a terribly late-running Anya makes a vow:
to get out of this horrible show as soon as she can, maybe land in a Noitamina production... heck, she'd sign up for a guest appearance in Ben-To right now, that's much better than being in this mess to go an entire day without tripping over her own feet. While for you or me this might not seem like so much of a much, for our Russian dealer this is akin to saying "I'm not going to breathe at all today." That's right: impossible. I'm sure our favorite Production Staff won't disappoint. Unfortunately, they're not working on this show, we're stuck with the ones for
Rio Rainbow Gate!. After a brief glimpse of all the Usual Suspects as they get ready to greet the day, we're off to the races.
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December 01, 2011
Which Fighter Is Best? Part II: The Early Years
In December of 1941, when the United States joined the rest of the
world's industrialized nations in the first truly globe-spanning war,
there was a tremendous range of single-seat fighters both in use and
under design everywhere. However, to paraphrase a later persona, you go
to war with the military you have, not the one you wish you had. What
was a nation's front-line fighter plane in 1942 was obsolescent in 1943
and a death trap a year later. This entry will examine the best fighter
planes from the "early years," and decide which of them is the best.
Bear in mind, however, that in the hands of a talented pilot any one of
these planes could beat any of the others. None of them could be
considered a "dog," just perhaps not quite as good as the eventual
winner.
As previously mentioned, the US gets two planes, one from the Navy
and one from the USAAF, since the two services had completely different
design criteria which generated completely different fighters. The
Japanese, Germans and British get one entry each.
The entries are presented in no particular order. Let's get on with it.
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The biggest reason the P-40 did so well early in the war was because its pilots were very well trained and knew the plane. A squadron of P-40's fought out of Henderson Field for a while, and did very well against the Zero even though the Zero really was a much better plane.
I agree that the Zero was the best fighter of the early war.
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SDB, I think the same argument can be made for the early success of the Zero as you made for the 40. But in any discussion of this type, my tendency is to look at the characteristics of the bird versus the ideal list of my wants. Then the preference for rugged and heavily-armed comes into play....
Posted by: The Old Man at December 02, 2011 06:10 AM (TcNy+)
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It looks like you have a picture of an F4F-3. It clearly has "F-3" on the side, and I don't see any sign of the wing joints. That minor nit aside, great article, and great pictures. They all look like they were taken somewhat recently, I wonder how recent the BF109 and A6M pictures are, given that I don't believe flyable versions of either exist anymore.
I'd have to argue on throwing out the BF109 so early, just based on the results it achieved. I'd put it into the top three with the Spitfire and Zero.
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David, that would actually be the squadron markings, not the type number, though technically it's incomplete. The correct number would be X-Y-Z, where X is the Air Group Number, Y the plane type (Fighter, Bomber, Scout, Torpedo), and Z the plane number in the squadron. So in 1942, 6-F-12 would be the 12th plane of the fighter squadron of the USS Enterprise's air group.
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There were no P-40s serving at Henderson Field during the Battle for Guadalcanal. They had the P-400, which was a bastardized export version of the P-39. Almost completely unsuitable for air combat (All the more so because they had no ground equipment to keep their oxygen system charged.), but its heavy armament and payload made it invaluable for ground support. The pilots there learned the hard way to leave tackling the Japanese aircraft to the F4Fs.
The A6M was very maneuverable but at high speeds or high attitudes, that maneuverability almost completely disappeared to the point of the aircraft being uncontrollable. That was why Japanese pilots were reluctant to go into steep dives in the Zero.
Finally, it is easy to overemphasize the importance of maneuverability in a fighter. Pilot skill and tactics often were far more determinative of the fighter's performance - which aircraft had greater maneuverability was only critical for the few pilots pushing the edge of the performance envelope.
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The genius of the Thach Weave was that it pretty much eliminated the value of maneuverability, and instead emphasized weapons and armor, in which areas the F4F (and pretty much all later American fighters) vastly outrated the Zero.
Also, this is from Fire in the Sky:
In April 1943 No. 15 Squadron (RNZAF) arrived on Guadalcanal with P-40s. RNZAF fighter squadrons took part in many of the fierce engagements triggered by each new U.S. Landing farther up the Solomons. These engagements did much more than the Guadalcanal campaign to damage the JNAF, and by the time the JNAF abandoned Rabaul in April, New Zealand fighters had claimed ninety-nine kills
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Regarding the suitability of P-39 for air combat, there's a funny picture here:
http://wio.ru/aces/rechkalov.htm
Every star on that cowling is a downed German aircraft (quite a few were 109s).
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I had forgotten that the P-40 saw such wide use early in the war.
I do remember that the American Volunteer Group ('Flying Tigers') were taught to climb high and dive towards the Japanese planes they fought. At least, that was mentioned in the book I read, way back in high school.
Chennault (leader of the AVG) was big on using that advantage of the P-40.
About the Spitfire, Bf109, and A6M2: the mix of guns with different convergence zones is surprising. Did the pilots have the ability to select which set to fire? Or did they have to fire both at once, and hit with whichever one was aimed right?
Posted by: karrde at December 03, 2011 08:04 AM (+Zz5p)
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The Spitfire did not; it either fired all guns or none at all. The other two could select to fire one type or the other (or both).
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P-39 originally had the fire selectable, but in Russian service it was modified to all-or-nothing, as were domestic fighters (such as Yak). I am not sure exactly why it was done, perhaps it had to do with flying in heavy gloves.
Erich Hartmann said that he preferred minimum range shots.
Posted by: Author at December 03, 2011 02:35 PM (G2mwb)
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Conventional wisdom is that the Spitfire had a better turning radius than the Me-109. In actual tests run between captured Spits and Me-109s, though, the Germans found that the 109 had a better turning radius at most altitudes and speeds. Because of the huge firepower advantage of the Emil, I would eliminate the Spit before the Emil.
As far as the Zeke, it had a really poor roll rate, especially before the reduction in wing size with the Model 32. It's a remarkable technological achievement, but I'd take the Emil every day of the week and twice on Sunday, so long as operational radius wasn't my primary consideration.
And the Emil is clearly better looking than that effete Spitfire.
8-)
Posted by: Doug Sundseth at December 03, 2011 02:36 PM (xdhJI)
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The Brits disagree with you, Doug, as does every single reference book I have over here. The Japanese tested the A6M2 against the Bf109 (I can't find out which version), and according to them the only place the German fighter had any edge was in top speed.
I'll point out again that any of these planes could shoot down any other in the contest. We're talking tiny percentage points differences between the top three.
Some time ago, I mentioned that I had a "What If...?" post I had to let go because I didn't know enough of the history involved. The basis of that post was "What If... the Germans had replaced their 109s with Zeros at the Battle of Britain?" I suspected the difference would have been huge, but I couldn't (and still can't) track down all the various permutations that change would cause.
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I want to say that the information came from a comment by Galland, but it was about 15 years ago when I read it (back when I was playing Mustangs and Messerschmitts seriously) and I have no idea how to find it now. IIRC, it's related to the behavior exemplified in this (from your link*):
"I had survived this mission simply
because the Spitfire could sustain a continuous rate of turn inside the
BF 109E
without stalling - the latter was known for flicking into a vicious
stall spin without prior warning if pulled too tightly.
The Spitfire would give a shudder to signal it was close to the edge,
so as soon as you felt the shake you eased off the stick pressure."
A good pilot could fly the 109 right on that edge, while an average pilot had to fly a few percent below that performance. With a Spit, even a relatively average pilot could hang on the performance edge. When combined with the 109s flying at the end of their endurance over England and the Spits flying over their own fields, the result was the performance differential that's usually reported.
"I'll point out again that any of these planes could shoot down any other
in the contest. We're talking tiny percentage points differences
between the top three."
Oh, clearly. To a large extent, the aircraft of the major combatants were direct responses to the challenges they faced during the war. The Japanese and Americans prioritized operational radius, the Japanese by sacrificing defense and the Americans by sacrificing maneuverability. American aircraft started significantly behind those of the Japanese and the Europeans, largely because of political concerns. The Germans and British sacrificed range for maneuverability or firepower.
The primary reason I'd choose a 109 over a Zero is that with good tactics, P-38s, P-40s, and F4Fs eventually attained something like loss parity with the Zero. And US experience in North Africa indicates that none of those aircraft could match the 109.
I'm treating this comment section in much the way I would treat the grognard discussion you alluded to in the first post in this series. And it wouldn't be that kind of discussion without disagreements opaque to anyone not in the in-group.
FWIW, when this is done, I'm willing to put forward the case that the Sherman is the most under-rated tank in WWII, (and arguably the best tank in WWII) as well**. 8-)
* An excellent data source, BTW, that I've not seen before.
** Seriously, not facetiously, but not based on which tank would win a tank duel.
Posted by: Doug Sundseth at December 03, 2011 10:14 PM (xdhJI)
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Let's not derail. Fighters, folks,
not tanks!
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at December 03, 2011 11:24 PM (+rSRq)
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Yes. the only tanks that could conceivably belong in this thread are the flying tanks from the 1930s and they were even worse dogfighters than they were tanks. So they wouldn't win anyway.
Posted by: brickmuppet at December 03, 2011 11:42 PM (EJaOX)
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I thought brick was joking. I
was wrong. That's insane! I can very well appreciate why the Soviets ordered one of the designers to take a ride on one of those contraptions after a prototype disintegrated on landing...
I don't really know enough about fighters to have any strong opinions about them, except to follow the simple rule: the point of fighters isn't to dogfight, it's to assert and defend air supremacy over a theatre. That can be highly dependent on local conditions - logistics considerations, range, fuel efficiency, anti-aircraft artillery deployment, etc. What was the relative maintenance profiles of these aircraft, for instance?
Posted by: Mitch H. at December 04, 2011 08:20 AM (pvALX)
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Even within the IJN in the discussions which led to the development of the Zero, there were experienced pilots who believed the emphasis on maneuverability to the detriment of other traits in a fighter design was a bad idea, and that inadequate maneuverability in a fighter could always be compensated for by improved pilot skill. Ultimately, those pilots were proven correct.
It is worth noting that most pilots did not push their aircraft to the limit. In that sense, arguments over the whether one fighter was more maneuverable tend to lead into a blind alley.
And as Len Deighton once noted, a common trait of all the highest-scoring aces like Hartmann was a willingness to get really close before opening fire on their targets. That fact led to one of the few peeves pilots had with the Spitfire - the mounts for the machine guns were simply too narrow to converge the fire of all the machine guns as close as the pilots wanted.
Posted by: cxt217 at December 04, 2011 06:05 PM (Zye/c)
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With the correction that it's the turn rate that's important, not turn radius, Spit still won. Another important advantage that it had was that it shed energy slower than the competition (Mustang was the absolute champion though: it even had a maneuvering flap setting).
Posted by: Author at December 04, 2011 11:29 PM (G2mwb)
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I just got emailed this, and it seemed relevant to this post... just about every plane mentioned appears at some point in the video, I think. Now excuse me, I'm going to go see if I can figure out how to get to England this summer..
http://player.vimeo.com/video/37599899
Posted by: David at March 13, 2012 03:41 PM (+yn5x)
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It's Out! It's Out!
Ladies and Gentlemen, big news...
DmonHiro has subbed Rio Rainbow Gate! Ep14! It's downloading now. I've managed to avoid all spoilers about what happens in it, so I'll be going into it cold. Expect hell to come to breakfast on Saturday.
Oh god, this is going to hurt.
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Thankfully, I'm going out of town this weekend and likely won't have a broadband connection available. With any luck, there will be enough additional posts after this one that it will get lost in the updates.
Save me, WWII fighter post, you're my only hope!
Posted by: David at December 01, 2011 05:09 PM (+yn5x)
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But, but...the Mayans assured us that the Apocalypse was
next December...
Posted by: Siergen at December 01, 2011 06:24 PM (TR6md)
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Actually, it was pretty good. I liked it.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at December 01, 2011 11:20 PM (+rSRq)
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Obviously the duck special forces are holding SDB at beak-point. Send in the rescue beavers!
Posted by: David at December 02, 2011 10:14 AM (+yn5x)
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I tried to warn SDB when the ducks flooded out his supply routes, but he didn't listen....
Posted by: Siergen at December 02, 2011 07:47 PM (TR6md)
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Still no
Rio post. Either Wonderduck came to his senses and didn't watch it, or the strain of watching it finally snapped his sanity...
Posted by: Siergen at December 03, 2011 07:34 PM (TR6md)
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I said it would be Saturday night, and it will be.
Posted by: Wonderduck at December 03, 2011 07:56 PM (2YMZG)
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You wrote "Expect hell to come to breakfast on Saturday." I assumed that breakfast came in the morning, but I must admit to being ignorant of duck feeding schedules...
Posted by: Siergen at December 03, 2011 08:36 PM (TR6md)
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Come on... leave him alone. It isn't easy being green.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at December 03, 2011 08:42 PM (+rSRq)
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It isn't easy being green.
Wait...He's a Mallard!?
Posted by: brickmuppet at December 03, 2011 08:48 PM (EJaOX)
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That's why it's called "Hell", Siergen... it never arrives on time.
Posted by: Wonderduck at December 03, 2011 10:07 PM (2YMZG)
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...and before anybody kvetches that it's not up yet despite being after midnight Pond Central time, I'll just say that genius takes it's own time.
Posted by: Wonderduck at December 04, 2011 12:36 AM (2YMZG)
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