October 30, 2019
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Posted by: GreyDuck at October 30, 2019 07:40 AM (rKFiU)
Posted by: Rick C at October 30, 2019 08:56 AM (Iwkd4)
Posted by: Ed Hering at October 30, 2019 12:27 PM (/cXdK)
Posted by: Ben at October 30, 2019 04:25 PM (osxtX)
Posted by: Wonderduck at October 30, 2019 10:33 PM (Id/Jh)
Watching that video, especially where the crewmen were working in line with the muzzle while ramming in a live charge, then just standing around while the shell slid down the barrel... yikes. If something went wrong, they'd be finding bits of that crew in the next county.
Posted by: David at October 31, 2019 03:37 PM (A/T0R)
First, when dropping bombs, they can also get caught up in the airflow around the plane, and instead of falling, hug the bottom of the aircraft. This is what is known as a Bad Thing. A friend of mine who was working on early GPS systems told me that the engineers of GPS autopilots didn't quite understand bomb dropping dynamics, not being pilots of having dropped any bombs. The bug he caught probably saved a lot of pilot's lives. The engineers treated the bomb drop like just another waypoint, meaning that a turn could start immediately after. This runs into that whole "Bad thing" thing. you have to continue on for a short time in order for the bomb to clear the wind envelope around the plane.
Second, the concept of a ground-fired bomb hasn't gone away. The Military is working on a system that will launch the standard Small Diameter Bomb from artillery, and that is a GPS-guided bomb. One range figure I've heard bandied about either as a capability or a goal is 80 miles.
Posted by: Mauser at October 31, 2019 05:24 PM (Ix1l6)
Sherman! Set the WABAC Machine to go to...The USS Vesuvius! Using pneumatic launchers to fire 'dynamite' rounds is...Well, pretty useless for naval combat. However, is seemed to be useful for shore bombardment.
Second, the concept of a ground-fired bomb hasn't gone away. The Military is working on a system that will launch the standard Small Diameter Bomb from artillery, and that is a GPS-guided bomb. One range figure I've heard bandied about either as a capability or a goal is 80 miles.
I thought the SDB was being tested with the rocket motors from MLRS units (Because somehow cluster munitions is eviler than thou.). Extending the range of regular artillery round has been a slow project over the last few decades, as the Navy discovered when the ERGM project was failed. I do admit to liking the big 8" howitzers and guns that the Army no longer has.
Posted by: cxt217 at November 01, 2019 03:25 PM (LMsTt)
Modern fighters, which can carry all sorts of ordnance and (hopefully) launch it at a variety of attitudes, altitudes, speeds, and g vectors, have got to be a worst case.
The A-5 Vigilante, which was supposed to have carried its bombs internally (linked to a couple of auxiliary fuel tanks, also indoors) and sort of pooped them out the back rather than opening bomb-bay doors underneath, presented a different kind of problem. From what I've read, they never did this with live weapons in operational service, partly because of reliability; partly, in those pre-JDAM days, because accuracy, which counts for something even with nukes, was... charitably described as modest.
Posted by: Ad absurdum per aspera at November 04, 2019 05:51 PM (8TunF)
I just couldn't find a picture of a plane that lost part of its construction to self-dropped ordinance that I liked. Artistic license and all that.
Posted by: Wonderduck at November 06, 2019 05:20 PM (EXhwA)
Posted by: AlanL at November 17, 2019 07:09 AM (GXOZK)
I'll spare everyone the train of thought that led to this (my train of thought is a crosstown local and makes a lot of stops), but I may have blundered onto an account (sans photo). It was indeed thought to be out of position, though without speculation as to why. See page 4 of this report.
Posted by: Ad absurdum per aspera at June 30, 2021 07:26 PM (5HpRn)
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